Do Stacy McDonald and Kelly Crawford Pass the Duck Test on Patriarchy?
HA note: The following is reprinted with permission from Julie Anne Smith’s blog Spiritual Sounding Board. It was originally published on May 8, 2014 and has been slightly modified for HA.
Suppose you see a bird walking around in a farm yard. This bird has no label that says ‘duck’. But the bird certainly looks like a duck. Also, he goes to the pond and you notice that he swims like a duck. Then he opens his beak and quacks like a duck. Well, by this time you have probably reached the conclusion that the bird is a duck, whether he’s wearing a label or not.
~Richard Cunningham Patterson Jr., United States ambassador to Guatemala during the Cold War in 1950
Are you familiar with the Duck Test? It’s an inductive reasoning test. This familiar expression is an example of inductive reasoning:
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Not long after I posted the article “Queen Bees of Homeschooling Stacy McDonald and Kelly Crawford Don’t Like the “Victim” Word in the Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs. Doug Phillips Lawsuit,” there was some fallout, most likely related to the pushback they received here. It’s always interesting to watch the responses to blog articles where we are exposing truth. We typically see back-peddling, web scrubbing, but rarely an admission of wrong teaching, etc.
I think it’s important to document what happened so that people can see for themselves and discern. Do the behaviors match the message? What is the fruit that we see? Is this the kind of teaching we want to stand behind and pay good money to hear at conferences? Do we want these foundational teachings to influence our families for decades?
Last week, R.L. Stollar, co-founder of Homeschoolers Anonymous, informed me that Kelly Crawford had written a blog article in 2008 entitled, “Tired of Patriarchy’s Bad Rap.”
Crawford’s article comes up here on a Google search:
But surprise, surprise. If you click on the link to the original article, this is what you see:
Homeschoolers Anonymous shared Crawford’s 2008 article on their Facebook page recently (on April 29) and noticed the article was removed between 4/29 and 5/2. Stollar also quoted Crawford in his comment:
For a clear definition of biblical patriarchy,” she said, you should “go here” — here being a link to the now-defunct Vision Forum’s “Tenets of Biblical Patriarchy.”
The “Tenants of Biblical Patriarchy” has been long scrubbed from the Vision Forum website, but here is the cached copy.
Homeschoolers Anonymous has a copy of Kelly Crawford’s article on file here. When will people learn that if they post articles on the internet and remove them, it makes them look like a fool? Take a look at the first two paragraphs of her article, the article she scrubbed:
I guess I’ll be rehashing the same topics with new names until I die, but they won’t let me go.There is something I’m so tired of. The word “patriarchy” is practically synonymous with an explicative in this culture. I’m tired of that. Patriarchy is not a new concept, but one as old as the world itself. It is biblical and if you don’t like it, and you’re a Christian, perhaps a new religion would suit you better.
So, did Kelly Crawford change her views on Patriarchy?
She said she would rehash the same topics until she dies. Why would she remove that article from 2008? What is she trying to hide?
After posting the “Queen Bees” article, both Stacy McDonald and Kelly Crawford came to my blog to comment, having never participated at Spiritual Sounding Board before. We saw their true colors:
Yes, Stacy McDonald, publicly made a low blow about the mental stability of one of my commenters.
Stacy has had a couple of weeks to think about that comment, a couple of weeks to e-mail me and say that perhaps she was out of line with that wording, but she has not. That was a rude comment. People pay to hear this woman speak, they read her blog articles. They look to her for guidance in how to raise their families. Enough said.I also want to point out another incident that occurred on the same day the article was being discussed here. Spiritual Sounding Board reader Taunya reported that Kelly Crawford privately emailed her after 6 years of silence between the two saying,“Can’t you see what kind of people you’re running with now? The evidence, the fruit, is so clear.”
Did you notice the 6-years-of-silence part?
Although Crawford doesn’t mention the silence, it’s important to the whole story. Obviously this hit a nerve for Crawford and is not something to be dismissed lightly. Imagine Taunya’s surprise in receiving such an e-mail after so many years of silence. Let me put in my own words my interpretation of what Crawford is saying: This information I am sending you is so important that I am breaking 6 years of silence to send it to you. Listen to me! If you don’t believe the way Stacy and I believe, you’re one of those bad-fruit people.
What was the rotten fruit Taunya was talking about? Things like this:
Furthermore it is not “God’s will” for adult daughters to live in the homes of their fathers until marriage. There is nothing biblically wrong with young women attending college, working or living on their own. This is wrong and any woman falling for this as “God’s Word” is deceived. These are cult-like teachings must like the idea that women need to wear skirts and dresses for the sake of modesty or that it is wrong to limit the number of children one has.
The definition of priest says it all Kelly! No women needs a priest! A man goes directly to God through Jesus and a woman does as well. She does not need her husband to be her mediator nor does she need him to be her prophet. She can read Scripture and the Holy Spirit resides in her just as He does her husband, no need for a husband to be her prophet! And KING? Wasn’t that addressed in the Old Testament. None of us need a king, we have that in Christ.
Doesn’t that 6-year silence also say a lot? It reminds me of junior high. “I’m not going to be your friend if you don’t like Suzy Q.” Do you see what this is? It’s my-way-or-the-highway mentality. You have to go along with my beliefs in order to be part of my group. It creates an us vs. them mentality. You are either in, or your are out.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.
Stacy and Kelly left the conversation, but the conversation continued to over 400 comments, but look what happened within 24 hours on Stacy and James McDonald’s Facebook page. The first is a rant from James McDonald:
Attitude much, James?
On the same day, April 23, Stacy posted a note on her Facebook wall endorsing her husband’s article, “The ‘P’ Word,” which is about Patriarchy. Her husband, in his article on Patriarchy discusses words and their meanings and how sometimes the meanings change. He tries to paint a beautiful picture of Patriarchy.
But check this out, is she really saying she is going to have to disguise that P (patriarchy) word from her vocabulary?
Stacy McDonald: All that being said, I personally believe that, for the sake of clarity, and knowing that the word has been so ravaged in the eyes of so many, it’s best to not to use the word. Because the term is not as important as the principle. “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” Biblical order is important, but we don’t have to use a word that provokes people or causes them to misunderstand us.
April 23 at 9:55am · Like · 15
Ok, so let’s just act like that word doesn’t exist. Is that what she’s saying? We’re going to continue doing the talk, and walking the walk, but we’re just not going to let anyone know what we’re really doing is Patriarchy.
When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.
~James Whitcomb Riley
What we see is a very familiar pattern of behavior:
- anyone who disagrees is labeled in a negative way: mentally disabled, rotten fruit, divisive, some might even question the salvation of one who disagrees
- instead of addressing conflict or misunderstandings: remove article entirely with no explanation
- completely mischaracterize a critic, claiming criticisms they never made like a “strawman,” then talk only about the strawman instead of the matter at hand
- publicly air a “woe is me” rant of martyrdom on own forum to garner support and “attaboys”
- black/white thinking: you are for us or against us
Folks, the above patterns are the rotten fruit.
It’s rotten fruit in attempt to defend more stinking, rotten fruit: Patriarchy.Stacy and Kelly have been promoting “Biblical Patriarchy” for years. Now Stacy wants to quack about it, without using the P word. It’s time to call this heretical teaching out now. It is destroying families. It is keeping young ladies held captive in their own homes, not giving them choices to further their education, to be critical thinkers, to use the creative minds God created for them.
Removing blog articles and not saying the P word is not going to change the fact that Patriarchy = Duck.
LOL – love your duck at the top. Evil duck talk: quack, quack
thanks for sharing 🙂
And so ChEKA changes its name to OGPU which changes its name to NKVD which changes its name to KGB…
But ChEKA, OGPU, NKVD, or KGB, the mass graves in GULAG still keep filling up.
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Hi there, I realize that this post is kind of old, but after a recent discussion I have been having with Kelly Crawford on her site, Generation Cedar, I was searching her name and found this article. I guess her behavior to me is typical of how she treats others as well. To me she has called me a liar, said that I have an agenda, and told me flat out that I don’t know what I am talking about. After my last comment, simply asking how she can still possibly support purity culture/courtship, she said that she would delete anything else I posted. Fortunately I am not surprised because I have experienced this kind of treatment from her type before–but it does still hurt, I will admit that. You can see the discussion here: http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2016/09/stop-being-a-bully-over-the-purity-movement-thing.html#comment-1133439
Honestly, the titles of her articles really say everything. I should have known better than to think I would get anywhere.